I wasn't sure about these new tags at first (which may seem contradictory because i voted to have the pussy tag removed) because they sound so... i don't know... anatomically correct? But i'm getting used to them and in any case i still prefer them to the slang terms ^_^ as for the pussy juice tag, why not "vaginal secretions" instead?
We're also going for the more common terms. Too technical (in this case, medical) and no one will ever think to use it. Also, "vaginal secretion" can be MANY things from the technical standpoint. Any woman (or gynecologist) will probably tell you that not all secretions are good (much less provocative/erotic like "pussy_juice").ecchifan96 said:
[...] as for the pussy juice tag, why not "vaginal secretions" instead?
Girl_cum/girlcum is a possibility, but it's not quite accurate. Most images depiction pussy_juice is to denote the girl being/getting "wet", not her (or them) ejaculating. Still, it's just trading one vulgar term (pussy) for another (cum), though I'll admit "girl_cum" rolls off the tongue easier than "pussy_juice".
I think "sex_fluid" would work. "Natural_lube" sounds kinda stupid...
I couldn't help but notice, or rather I had to do a double take and then recheck myself, but when I uploaded Post 139954, and tagging, I specifically typed in "black_rock_shooter" and "dead_master", but when I saved the tags to upload, they changed to "kuroi_mato" and "takanashi_yomi" respectively. I know the BRS franchise is a pain in the ass tag wise, but was this done intentionally?
Okay, I swore off kona politics when I left, but I didn't intend to come back and let it affect me. However, every, single, time I see a picture like this and read the tag, I literally feel embarrassed for this website for acting like little kids.
Tell me, where is the vagina in these posts?
http://konachan.com/post/show/135288
http://konachan.com/post/show/141205
http://konachan.com/post/show/140456
http://konachan.com/post/show/139972
All I see is a vulva. I propose we call it as such, or rename it to pussy. The fact it can still be found by searching for pussy isn't the point. This is just an inaccuracy. Might as well start calling an entire arm a finger. The tag vagina is about as accurate as tagging it as clitoris, urethra or labia. In fact, labia would be a MORE accurate tag because at least those are always visible on these pictures. This one is more like tagging it cervix.
If this is dismissed as another "The kids all call it that so it's fine" case like Holo > Horo, I think I'll become even more jaded and dejected with Kona. Accuracy and maturity must still have some value here, no?
Tell me, where is the vagina in these posts?
http://konachan.com/post/show/135288
http://konachan.com/post/show/141205
http://konachan.com/post/show/140456
http://konachan.com/post/show/139972
All I see is a vulva. I propose we call it as such, or rename it to pussy. The fact it can still be found by searching for pussy isn't the point. This is just an inaccuracy. Might as well start calling an entire arm a finger. The tag vagina is about as accurate as tagging it as clitoris, urethra or labia. In fact, labia would be a MORE accurate tag because at least those are always visible on these pictures. This one is more like tagging it cervix.
If this is dismissed as another "The kids all call it that so it's fine" case like Holo > Horo, I think I'll become even more jaded and dejected with Kona. Accuracy and maturity must still have some value here, no?
What the fuck is this? Since when did Kona cater to children? THis is an adult site and we can use adult words. Ass is ass, pussy is pussy, cum is cum. It's fine the way it is, I see no reason to change it. If you want to search for semen then search for it, it should take to you cum anyways.
I mean really? girl_cum? girl_cum!? Who the hell is going to think of that? It's pussy_juice, we can say those words here. I'm fully against this and say it should not be changed.
I mean really? girl_cum? girl_cum!? Who the hell is going to think of that? It's pussy_juice, we can say those words here. I'm fully against this and say it should not be changed.
On the note of the general sweeping changes to the horribly offensive naughty bits being renamed, I'll say that as a user of Konachan I FULLY oppose those changes.
I can deal with seeing a horribly abrasive word like... *shudder*... "pussy" when I'm looking at porn. Shocking as it sounds.
I can deal with seeing a horribly abrasive word like... *shudder*... "pussy" when I'm looking at porn. Shocking as it sounds.
You must have missed the discussion some weeks ago when that tag got renamed :B
It was back in page 37:
The first "voice of authority" speaking on the matter was Stahn:
Let's wait for Stahn's input. Normally I would believe that vagina stays, but considering how incorrect it is for some situations, then I doubt we will let that remain as it is.
It was back in page 37:
Which was then supported by Mnessie, Ecchi, and Kumacuda, and was objected to by Gregol.otaku_emmy said:
ok, i have a suggestion. what if, instead of putting the word "pussy" as a tag, we just use the word "vagina"? it's more proper, and much less gross.
The first "voice of authority" speaking on the matter was Stahn:
And finally, other "suggestions" which didn't seem to get anywhere:StahnAileron said:
[...]And FYI, the vagina <-> pussy thing will get looked at at some point. I'm leaning for vagina being the dominant tag as even SanCom uses it and SanCom's standards for tagging is the worst of the major 'boorus I know of.
If anything, you'd think that "pussy" is the childish term. But as Kisumi pointed out, it is the technically correct term since it applies to all parts of the female's genitalia, unlike the other more medically-inclined terms which refer to only specific parts of it.StahnAileron said:
I've been considering reversing some of the aliases we have for body parts. Anus/butthole is one of them. Cum would have to switch to semen as well (which honestly makes more sense since cum is also a verb. Semen is a pure noun).
Pussy juice vs vaginal fuild is debateable given the subject matter at that point. Even I have to say taht vaginal_fluid is pushing the medical/biology terms a bit too far. If someone has a better idea, let us know. Pussy_juice is staying for the time being.
Let's wait for Stahn's input. Normally I would believe that vagina stays, but considering how incorrect it is for some situations, then I doubt we will let that remain as it is.
It's 0715 and I got work in 45 mins. Let me kill this debate now:
- 1) Yes, I'm aware of the technical meaning behind the term "vagina". No, it didn't really play a part in my decision to re-organize the tags used here.
- 2) Keep in mind if we started getting absolutely accurate with official definitions of tags, half of the general tags are misused and we'd have to replace many tags with 2-5 other tags to be "technically accurate". While I do advocate technical accuracy with tagging, I do so in regards to usage on THIS site and more so with colloquial usage rather than textbook usage. Yes, it does make some tags technically inaccurate such as "vagina", but seriously, blame society for that.
Now, if you want a more substantial reason for vagina vs pussy: personal preference.
I nagivate this site regularly to accomplish my role/job here. Even I get sick of some terms on the site here. At least "vagina" is distinct in only referring to a part of female anatomy. "Pussy" can both be that as well as a derogatory term ("He's such a pussy!" / "Quit being a pussy!"). While that's an unlikely usage of the term as a tag here, I still see the word used everywhere else on the web. It's gets... Irritating. (Much like me seeing "CUTE!", "LIKE!", or "Cool!" as comments...)Suffice to say my (and Shuugo's) mental well-being are critical to keeping the site alive whether anyone really cares or not. Though moreso Shuugo's than mine.
Now, with that said, if you have any other issues with current tagging, let myself or Sci (the other official tag maintainer) know. I can excuse kisumi since she was absent during the change. Cuda, you should've been at least aware of these changes/proposals since you're a regular/staffer. I'll admit it's been awhile, but still... If I honestly intended a change, I would've stated so to that effect. My previous post regarding "girl_cum" was just my thoughts about the term, not actually using it.
And while I'm at this (if a bit late, though I think I replied previously and it got wiped during the downtime a while back):
Yes, shortly after the original OAV was released. Until/unless that franchise gets unfucked in terms of character settings (and that doesn't appear to be happening any time soon, if at all), those tags will stay that way for the time being. That or Shuugo, Sci, and myself get together and come up with a more standardized method for tagging cases like alternate char designs/personalities.Black_Rock_Shooter said:
[...] I specifically typed in "black_rock_shooter" and "dead_master", but when I saved the tags to upload, they changed to "kuroi_mato" and "takanashi_yomi" respectively. [...] was this done intentionally?
Shuugo and I ran into a similar problem with Neptunia. Another example is the various Saber chars (fuck you, TYPE-MOON...) We also have Shinobu (Monogatari series: child versus her older form, both having different names, technically). In theory, we have that problem with the Nanoha series (primarily Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate), but the series tags (plain vs StrikerS) helps take care of that.
Yes, I do think about this crap before implementing it on the site. I try not to do shit arbitrarily. Unless something is just that much of clusterfuck to deal with. (God-fucking-damn the BRS series...)
And now I have 10 minutes to get out of here...
*Throws up her hands.* Okay, I tried. I'm tired of this. Kona's not my place, it's somewhere I tend to be often. Everything I've looked at has gone south for quite a while as far back in the track record I can think of. Go directly to the staffers... that gets places. As far as I've gotten with results, that's basically "Hey you, shush and stop making a fuss in the community. Just poke a whisper so we can shut you down in private". There's no base or validity to vagina <-> pussy and I think rereading every post about is since, that's pretty apparent. Nothing addresses or validates it in a logical or specific standpoint at all. If this easy mode issue gets no real analysis, I have no hope for anything in the feature. I'm just gonna keep using kona until I start seeing rectal_evacuation_port in my butthole tag, then I quit.
There, there, Kisumi. It's fine. Well, I know it isn't fine according to your preferences, but these things happen. We don't have control over everything. As Stahn said, if we aim for technical accuracy, many tags get mis-used from time to time and cannot be fixed without having to add additional tags for the corner-cases.
Though, I wonder if there'd be any objections to somebody going to those images that don't technically display a vagina, and start removing/changing the tag? What would be the argument against corrective measures of such a kind? @_@
Butthole almost got changed to anus, too. That it didn't should be a consolation of sorts? o.O;
Though, I wonder if there'd be any objections to somebody going to those images that don't technically display a vagina, and start removing/changing the tag? What would be the argument against corrective measures of such a kind? @_@
Butthole almost got changed to anus, too. That it didn't should be a consolation of sorts? o.O;
This isn't a valid argument for the creation or maintaining of a single tag, it's disregarded and would get you nowhere in an official debate or thesis. "But mooooom! They're all doing it too!" is as timeless as it is situationally irrelevant.SK7000 said:
many tags get mis-used from time to time
The argument and result would be Stahn's banhammer with a middle finger glued onto it. He doesn't need any other argument or action. It's clear sense and technicality has lost the battle here.SK7000 said:
...going to those images that don't technically display a vagina, and start removing/changing the tag? What would be the argument against corrective measures of such a kind? @_@
There's no garuntee that it won't, and funnily enough, that's the only proposed change that makes sense and is in line with other 'boorus and common use.SK7000 said:
Butthole almost got changed to anus, too. That it didn't should be a consolation of sorts? o.O;
Now I'm going to bed and hopefully resisting poking into this thread again.
Do that. For what's worth, I didn't have any opinion during the proposal period. Though, had I actually known what vagina stands for, I might have raised an objection. Of course, the term is technically incorrect :skisumi said:
Now I'm going to bed and hopefully resisting poking into this thread again.
Not to mention, it's quite inconsistent when you consider that we use ass and butthole instead of something like buttocks and anus.
But, if Stahn has thought this thoroughly, there will be no changing his mind.
OK I won't read all the text walls around here, but I understand the current CLOSED subject.
Technical definition =/= popular uses.
Now if we change everything to "technical", everything will be messed up.
I hope no one came here to simply try to change stuff because this is not the entire internet. Try teaching millions of people technical definitions and then words and it's uses might change. This of the majority, not certain individuals.
I don't believe people come here to search up on anatomy.
Sex fluids... vulva... are we trying to change "porn" into "anatomy" or something?
I don't particularly have a strong explicit search history. But seriously...
Technical definition =/= popular uses.
Now if we change everything to "technical", everything will be messed up.
I hope no one came here to simply try to change stuff because this is not the entire internet. Try teaching millions of people technical definitions and then words and it's uses might change. This of the majority, not certain individuals.
I don't believe people come here to search up on anatomy.
Sex fluids... vulva... are we trying to change "porn" into "anatomy" or something?
I don't particularly have a strong explicit search history. But seriously...
I have never seen people dissect a word so intensely as you guys. And I thought I had an issue with words.
Pussy is just such a JUVENILE word. It's quite deragatory too, in my opinion. If a man ever referred to my genitals as "pussy" I'd tell him to go f**k himself.
I guess if you guys wanna get REALLY specific about it, we can change it to "female_reproductive_organ" or "female_genitalia"...in case you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm.
I'm just sayin', if there's a "penis" tag, there should be a "vagina" tag. Sure the penis has individual sections, but we're not gonna make a tag for each one. Vagina is just a nicer word. Not all of us like being bombarded with such low-brow language all the time.
P.S. Butthole is an idiotic word. It even sounds stupid. Anus IS a better word. Asshole is even slightly better than butthole. Who even says that anymore?
Pussy is just such a JUVENILE word. It's quite deragatory too, in my opinion. If a man ever referred to my genitals as "pussy" I'd tell him to go f**k himself.
I guess if you guys wanna get REALLY specific about it, we can change it to "female_reproductive_organ" or "female_genitalia"...in case you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm.
I'm just sayin', if there's a "penis" tag, there should be a "vagina" tag. Sure the penis has individual sections, but we're not gonna make a tag for each one. Vagina is just a nicer word. Not all of us like being bombarded with such low-brow language all the time.
P.S. Butthole is an idiotic word. It even sounds stupid. Anus IS a better word. Asshole is even slightly better than butthole. Who even says that anymore?
Sorry Emmy, but pussy is not derogatory unless you make it so.
You can use it in a derogatory way if you are reducing a female to her genitalia, but I can assure you that it's used quite as the norm amongst people all the time, which means, usually not meant as an insult. It's no different than the word fuck, it's just used culturally for a wide range of things, and only some of them are meant to be offensive.
Now, had the suggestion been for the word cunt, then you might have had a case.
I suppose the penis tag could have a similar issue if there's a picture where only the testicles are shown, but that sounds a bit difficult to come across.
Anyway, when the reason that vagina was picked is because the mental sanity of the administrators rely on it, then it's pretty obvious nothing we think/say will be able to sway back things to the previous word...
Now, I am just waiting for the butthole tag to be changed so we can all start arguing about anuses.
You can use it in a derogatory way if you are reducing a female to her genitalia, but I can assure you that it's used quite as the norm amongst people all the time, which means, usually not meant as an insult. It's no different than the word fuck, it's just used culturally for a wide range of things, and only some of them are meant to be offensive.
Now, had the suggestion been for the word cunt, then you might have had a case.
I suppose the penis tag could have a similar issue if there's a picture where only the testicles are shown, but that sounds a bit difficult to come across.
Anyway, when the reason that vagina was picked is because the mental sanity of the administrators rely on it, then it's pretty obvious nothing we think/say will be able to sway back things to the previous word...
Now, I am just waiting for the butthole tag to be changed so we can all start arguing about anuses.
Ok since no one seemed to get my point.
The most of the tags are general tag, ie; cloud, sex, car, You're not going to see cumulonimbus or stratus for could? Oh maybe 69 or missionary_position or maybe doggy_style for sex and list everything single type of car in all the car images. These tags for for general use, and when most ADULTS come here they want pussy and ass not all the different "professional" terms as you call it. We aren't catering to body part buff's that get pissy if you don't call a body part the re name.
If this does be passed. Correction it seem to already have....anyways you might aswell turn pussy_juices in squirt, pee, wetness and make sure you get it right or you might piss someone off or offend them.
Also since a lot of people have forgotten.
The most of the tags are general tag, ie; cloud, sex, car, You're not going to see cumulonimbus or stratus for could? Oh maybe 69 or missionary_position or maybe doggy_style for sex and list everything single type of car in all the car images. These tags for for general use, and when most ADULTS come here they want pussy and ass not all the different "professional" terms as you call it. We aren't catering to body part buff's that get pissy if you don't call a body part the re name.
If this does be passed. Correction it seem to already have....anyways you might aswell turn pussy_juices in squirt, pee, wetness and make sure you get it right or you might piss someone off or offend them.
Also since a lot of people have forgotten.
TOS:
If you are a minor, then you will not use the Site.
@Cuda: Exactly.
/sigh/ Why did I bother with this when I have no interest in searching for such stuff. Maybe for other people.... well, never mind me.
/sigh/ Why did I bother with this when I have no interest in searching for such stuff. Maybe for other people.... well, never mind me.
The only thing that really boggles my mind is... why when Emmy first proposed this, Kumacuda was supporting her suggestion instead of being against it, as he is right now? o.O; Well, I guess people have a right to change opinions.
But I suggest we just drop the topic... after Stahn's last reply, it seemed very, very definite that nothing is going to change regarding the vagina tag.
But I suggest we just drop the topic... after Stahn's last reply, it seemed very, very definite that nothing is going to change regarding the vagina tag.
Those tags conversation are over.
If it really needs to be talked in the future again, it will be at least with a 3 month cool down period.
I'm tired of drama, VERY tired.
Last time I was so tired of drama had tremendous consequences for the site.
If it really needs to be talked in the future again, it will be at least with a 3 month cool down period.
I'm tired of drama, VERY tired.
Last time I was so tired of drama had tremendous consequences for the site.
Is there a tag regarding pointed, elf-like ears?
^No, such tag doesn't exist here.
i brought that up a long time ago and i think the conclusion we reached iirc was to use elf.
Not all of them pointy ears means them being elves O_o
Pointy ears could also refer to some demon drawings.
Yeah, I was just wondering. Because there IS an animal ears tag. Some people like pointy ears (not me).
Also, another thing I've noticed is that when there's a pic with excessive sweating in it, the tag "wet" is used. What if we used the tag "sweat" instead?
Also, another thing I've noticed is that when there's a pic with excessive sweating in it, the tag "wet" is used. What if we used the tag "sweat" instead?
We have a conflict of characters with the hotaru tag. Changing to hotaru_(series-name-here) for all characters.
Any nays?
Any nays?
No nays here! Are we still using the nyotaimori tag btw? Only 3 posts exist with that tag.Shuugo said:
Any nays?
Started. Though, I have no idea how to disambig... the rest since they have rather complex copyright titles.Shuugo said:
We have a conflict ... with the hotaru tag. Changing to hotaru_(series-name-here) ...
Any nays?
otaku_emmy
11 months ago