So, Zolxie, is it kind of like what they do in yande.re with extreme content, or is it going to be different?
Tensa said:
And the comment section? If you do it in other ways than the blacklist function currently works, I'm game. @ so long as I don't have to see [subjective]shit[/subjective] topics (not only images) when going in the comment section, that's fine.
Yes, for these content types, you won't see anything in the comments section unless you've approved the type. Furthermore, if you follow a link to a post with one of those content types, you will get an error like the one we currently have for explicit loli (eg. post #214152)

mattiasc02 said:
So, Zolxie, is it kind of like what they do in yande.re with extreme content, or is it going to be different?
I don't remember exactly what that is. I know I unblocked content there but I don't see anything in the settings to re-block it.

Anyway, this should be quite a bit more transparent:
  • The only place you'll be able to enable this content will be in your account settings. (And of course you'll be able to block it again if you want)
  • You will always see the same number of posts per page no matter what you have blocked.
mattiasc02 said:
So, Zolxie, is it kind of like what they do in yande.re with extreme content, or is it going to be different?
I tried going to Yande to figure out what you mean.... But nah, no going behind enemy lines for me.

This system will literally be a set of checkboxes for each of the currently banned content types so that each user can manually pick what they want to see and what not.
Zolxys said:
Yes, for these content types, you won't see anything in the comments section unless you've approved the type. Furthermore, if you follow a link to a post with one of those content types, you will get an error like the one we currently have for explicit loli (eg. post #214152)
I'm all for it as long as the current Konachan.com is the default setting for the .com site o/

@Mattiasc: afaik, the tag would be "extreme_content" as it's basically blacklisted. But I doubt it's that. If it were a tag block, then wouldn't the image show in the comment section regardless? Yep.
Note: this is the default blacklist when you register on Yandere.
vf.nightcore said:
This system will literally be a set of checkboxes for each of the currently banned content types so that each user can manually pick what they want to see and what not.
Uu, even better! More organized as well.
Tensa said:
I'm all for it as long as the current Konachan.com is the default setting for the .com site o/
It will be. If you don't change your account settings, you shouldn't notice any change anywhere.

Tensa said:
But I doubt it's that. If it were a tag block, then wouldn't the image show in the comment section regardless?
As I see it, comments on blocked or blacklisted images should never appear on the Comments page, so I was planning on completely removing them. Does anyone really want to see comments for images they've blacklisted? If so, I guess we could make that a setting on the settings page...
If this change is made, we need to find a way to inform all Kona users.
Dummy said:
And let me guess, yuri is perfectly fine and hot?
preach

mattiasc02 said:
If this change is made, we need to find a way to inform all Kona users.
A banner at the top would work, wouldn't it?
Zolxys said:
As I see it, comments on blocked or blacklisted images should never appear on the Comments page, so I was planning on completely removing them. Does anyone really want to see comments for images they've blacklisted? If so, I guess we could make that a setting on the settings page...
This option would only make sense to me personally if Guro was to be accepted as well. As a moderator I think it's nice to be able to see everything that's going on. Guro is the only banned content type I'd blacklist tho, using the new system.

Edit:

Dummy said:
And let me guess, yuri is perfectly fine and hot?
It is. This is not a matter of whether or not the Konachan comunnity likes Yaoi or Yuri. This is solely in honor of Shuugo. He did not want Yaoi on Konachan. As a matter of fact, this is also why we're making this new system, so that people can choose to keep Kona the way it was.
I wouldn't blacklist anything, even if I really wanted to, because I still need to see things to tag them.

Traz made a good point about this being a wallpaper site though. Not many people are using super hardcore hentai and guro as wallpapers, I don't think...
vf.nightcore said:
This option would only make sense to me personally if Guro was to be accepted as well. As a moderator I think it's nice to be able to see everything that's going on. Guro is the only banned content type I'd blacklist tho, using the new system.
Mods have to look at that shit too, you know? Even if they don't want to.... and some mods just... can't stand some things. As Zolxys said, he's basically fidgetty to the slightest bruise.

And no, I wouldn't recommend Creep for a mod position, ever.
mattiasc02 said:
If this change is made, we need to find a way to inform all Kona users.
There's the banner notice at the top of the page, but Cuda was for keeping this as quiet as possible. And I think I agree. How can you possibly tell tens of thousands of people that we now accept _____ and make sure that every single one of them understands that they absolutely must tag it as _____. If we notify a huge number of people at once, we're very likely to have problems.

Anyone following the forums already knows and word will get around. I think that's good enough and will allow us to keep everything under control.
Zolxys said:
There's the banner notice at the top of the page, but Cuda was for keeping this as quiet as possible. And I think I agree. How can you possibly tell tens of thousands of people that we now accept _____ and make sure that every single one of them understands that they absolutely must tag it as _____. If we notify a huge number of people at once, we're very likely to have problems.
People would be shocked, yes. But I will dmail certain users (well, the active uploaders) if this change is made.
Zolxys said:
Yes, for these content types, you won't see anything in the comments section unless you've approved the type. Furthermore, if you follow a link to a post with one of those content types, you will get an error like the one we currently have for explicit loli (eg. post #214152)[...]
In that case make sure to hide it in post history and disable the "Set avatar" option. As I mentioned before, you can use these to see any image as long as it's not deleted.

Find similar / Find dupes has this problem as well.
Late to the party.

We should consider our current user base before making any changes to our banned content or even what we generally approve. It goes along the lines of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Changing the mix of our hosted content is akin to changing our brand. Sometimes this is wildly successful, usually is it a dismal failure resulting in bankruptcy. Our content mix is what makes us unique and what draws users to our site.

If we look at the user approval ratings of some of the images in question (snapshot):
Not much interest from our current user base. While the score is not a sufficient reason to approve an image, it should be, if not a necessary reason, at least influential.

I rarely approve any content that is less than 48 hours old. I prefer to wait and see what kind of interest an image generates - that is score, comments and who favorites an image such as a contributor. While I am personally drawn to scenic images, I still will not approve one with a low score, regardless of the quality. Why clutter the site with images our users don't want to see? How is that different from a store offering clothes the manager likes but that people don't buy? Hosting high quality images is not enough, it must also be images people are interested in. Everything else is annoying clutter as some have commented above.

If we do decide to change our content mix, it should be done very deliberately based not on whim or PC, but on what we expect (and want) to happen to our user base. These are the people who support the site.

The content in question is available elsewhere and I question if we want to draw those users to Konachan and the expense of losing some portion of our current user base.

If we do make a change to our content rules - I do agree it should be done quietly and the tags put into the black list for all users, but especially for anonymous (default) users (users not logged in).
otaku_emmy said:
I wouldn't blacklist anything, even if I really wanted to, because I still need to see things to tag them.

Traz made a good point about this being a wallpaper site though. Not many people are using super hardcore hentai and guro as wallpapers, I don't think...
I used to feel that as mod, I shouldn't blacklist anything. But with this change, I expect to see at least 2 mods leaving some of the new content blocked (myself included). Just don't force yourself to moderate everything and then end up hating this place. There would be no point in that...

I'm not sure what you consider "super hardcore", but I save everything I really like and cycle it as wallpaper changing every 5 minutes. No one sees my computer so I don't have a problem using any kind of explicit material I like.

We probably don't have any mods that would moderate guro though, so it's probably for the best that alaron objected to that one.

Dummy said:
In that case make sure to hide it in post history and disable the "Set avatar" option. As I mentioned before, you can use these to see any image as long as it's not deleted.

Find similar / Find dupes has this problem as well.
The thumbnails for blacklisted posts will not appear in the history, but the history entries will still be visible. The similar image tool will still show all matches, but you won't see the thumbnails there either.

I don't see how the set avatar issue could really be a problem. We should probably change the "I'm a teapot" message to make it clear that the image is blocked as blacklisted content. Anyone that clicks "Set avatar" on such a page... must want to see the image...

Kiho said:
Our content mix is what makes us unique and what draws users to our site.
The content mix that draws users to the site is the mix they see when visiting the site. This part isn't changing. Likewise, what they see here upon creating an account won't change either.

Yes, this all started in regards to images that (according to the scores) are only liked by a minority, but it generated yet another argument on what we should have here. This method at least prevents the various minorities from complaining while keeping the site the same in the eyes of nearly every user.
But...you won't be accepting disgusting shit like this, right? *shivers as I am typing*
Yeah, I'm still really not down with bestiality. But it's whatevs.

But if it were unbanned, that type of bug-on-lady action would indeed be allowed.

Zolxys said:
Just don't force yourself to moderate everything and then end up hating this place. There would be no point in that...
Nah, I could never hate Konachan itself.

It's just some of the people I'm not real crazy over...
otaku_emmy said:
Yeah, I'm still really not down with bestiality. But it's whatevs.

But if it were unbanned, that type of bug-on-lady action would indeed be allowed.
Oh well. I wouldn't mind it, because I can always blacklist it :)

And same here, Emmy! Kona forever! I am an obedient Kona doggy. Wuff!
xD It's already allowed. Well insects anyways. Have you seen Ragnarok_online tag?
Kumacuda said:
xD It's already allowed. Well insects anyways. Have you seen Ragnarok_online tag?
Well that contradicts some things, now don't it?

Unless it's those critters that are more tentacle-y than realistic bugs.
Hmm now that I think it about, those images are so old, they might be from the site packs.

Edit: Nope, Anpan uploaded them. xD
Oyashiro-sama was a sitepack uploader. Kuma.
Well, I'll leave them alone, but it should stand to reason that insects be included in the bestiality category.
mattiasc02 said:
Oyashiro-sama was a sitepack uploader. Kuma.
I know, hence why I had the Edit. xD

otaku_emmy said:
Well, I'll leave them alone, but it should stand to reason that insects be included in the bestiality category.
I see nothing wrong with that, however, images of bestiality that are wallpaper quality are few and far between, and I go in e621 alot. Also i doubt the main group of up loaders care for that stuff so I doubt even if unbanned it'll show up that much.
Kiho said:
We should consider our current user base before making any changes to our banned content or even what we generally approve. It goes along the lines of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". Changing the mix of our hosted content is akin to changing our brand. Sometimes this is wildly successful, usually is it a dismal failure resulting in bankruptcy. Our content mix is what makes us unique and what draws users to our site.
Thank goodness, a sane person! This is exactly what I've been thinking all day.

What do we stand to gain from making a change like this? Sure we might gain a few new members, but at the cost of losing a large portion of our current one? And even if we do gain new member from this, do we actually want them? We're talking about catering to child pornography, bestiality and torture porn in addition to gay porn. These are people I don't want to be associated with in the least.

What we have currently has worked for us this long. I don't see any gain by adding this. I believe we will lose members by doing this. I don't think we should do this. That is my viewpoint.
Dummy said:

~A bunch of stupid shit, proving he didn't understand my comment.
Tensa responded to you perfectly. No one is slighting the fact that rape exists in any manner. We are talking about Anime images here, not reality. However, we are being forced endure homosexuality more and more. Gay movie characters, television characters, magazine ads, etc. That is a problem. I for one don't even want to even remotely see it on Kona. Not even as an implied form.

Dummy said: "Let me tell you something - the majority of the population doesn't care enough about homosexuality"....Dumbest comment ever. You should try talking to the men and women in my professional community. Hell, when I joined the navy, they were still taking gays and throwing them off the ship at night to die. Trust me, the onslaught of homosexuality in our everyday lives IS being noticed. By millions. You're a victim of mainstream media if you think that people aren't sick of it...

Your entire comment shows your age and utter lack of real world experience...
Yes, but he was also addressing the hypocrisy in the fact that, while most guys here dislike male homosexual content, they have no problem with female content of similar nature.

You were talking about how bad it is to be a gay MAN, but he was speculating that you had no problem with our yuri content, making you look more than a bit biased.
This is the third Kona war now that had been started by me. Let's all come down to a decision, and be done with it. Do what you all want, but I will still love Kona the same way, even if we allow the unexpected.

This is getting ridiculous. The last few posts in this thread is not improving our site whatsoever. Y'all just having a dumb fight :p. Like seriously, let's all be at peace.
otaku_emmy said:
Yes, but he was also addressing the hypocrisy in the fact that, while most guys here dislike male homosexual content, they have no problem with female content of similar nature.

You were talking about how bad it is to be a gay MAN, but he was speculating that you had no problem with our yuri content, making you look more than a bit biased.
And as I stated in my post, SANE people look at a drawn image of rape and dismiss it as just that. No one person I ever knew didn't take rape seriously. Dummy is reading too much into it, I suspect because something is hitting home for him. He's reaching a little too desperately with his rebuttal. For the record, I don't get a skirt-flip from male or female gay imagery. One only has to view my favorites to see that...

And, there is no hypocrisy in a man enjoying two women over two men, even though ignorant or biased eye may see it that way. From my experience, when a normal male sees two women in an image, we're still seeing just the women and not the act. That's how it is with me. I'm actually quite turned away from the real thing. The rainbow crowd will always try to equate anything that even slightly infers hypocrisy into a tool they can use for their agenda. This is Dummy's error...