I'm not very judgemental of the things I watch. I think it's because I enjoy the anime that isn't very good, as well as the great anime.

I don't heavily focus on storyline. I'm more about judging it superficiallly, by how the anime looks, or how the dub sounds. For instance: Yozakura Quartet, in my opinion, was a good anime. However, the character designs looked butt ugly to me.

Some anime do skip wildly around in regards to plot. Having a LOT of different characters doesn't help either. Something like that can make me stop watching a series in a heartbeat.

Other anime have a plot that makes sense, but are just very bland and boring.
StahnAileron said:
When I do bother with the sex/ecchi scenes, I'll sometimes just sit back and analyze the images
...... don't worry Stahn, if no else believes you, i will.

it's just that often times you say you like an anime but then point out all of the things that are WRONG with it. that's what gives me the impression that you don't like anime anymore. if you like it, then i don't see the point of looking at it from another's pov 'cause that seems to deteriorate it's value to you.

well, i suppose you are you and you're most certainly welcome to enjoy something however you'd like to.
Davis_500 said:
if you like it, then i don't see the point of looking at it from another's pov 'cause that seems to deteriorate it's value to you.
The reason I do this is to temper my attitude about it when recommending it to others. It helps prevent me from turning into a true fanboy-ish person. Have you ever met one of those people that swears by something and sings its praises? Then, when you try it out yourself, you're like "WTF is this shit?" because the preson who recommended it left some key things out in his/her attempt to sell you on it? That's the type of person I try NOT to be like.

Looking at a series from multiple viewpoints when forming my opinion of it helps prevent me doing the above. I can love a series to death, but I can also acknowledge it flaws if pointed out and explained to me. (Simply bashing on it doesn't usually work. I need reason behind the hate, so to speak.) For example, I love slice of life shows, but I would never readily recommend them to some unless I knew they liked similar shows. I know that Slice of Life shows can be quite boring to those that prefer action shows. Specific examples:

  • Lucky Star
  • K-On!
  • ARIA
Now, on the other hand, there are some series I where dislike certain aspects but am more willing to recommend despite those flaws. Guilty Crown and Toradora are examples of those.

  • Guilty Crown
  • Toradora
I can keep going, but I think you get my point by now... ^_^;
SK7000 said:
Emmy has been (trying) to watch anime for sixteen hours a day (at least).
Since when? I never miss anyone's posts so how could I miss that? Dmails maybe...

SK7000 said:
You'd think watching that much anime would quickly train you into the realities of what's well produced and what's not...
That it does. But like FoliFF said, it may take some time for all of it to sink into you. Don't rush it emmy! If you're not enjoying yourself then there's no point.
@ Stahn

For me i can handle Slice of life shows but there are some that just don't interest me such as lucky star and Aria. Tried watching both of them and i got bored.

As for Guilty Crown i watched it until the MC went all emo and now i can't find what episode i left of on and can't find the motivation to look for it again. I've seen Toradora and didn't like the ending. (the person he ended up with urked me.)

So i guess you could say i'm an all around kind of person when it comes to anime... well not really. There are the genres that i refuse to watch no matter what. Such as yaoi, shoujo, josei, shounen ai, shoujo ai, and smut
I made it a point to watch several anime from every genre and theme. So far there is no one genre that I dislike in general. Well except for hentai that is, I just haven't seen one that I would call good or even O.K. yet. Despite that, I consider myself to be an all-around fan when it comes to anime. The only genres I haven't tried yet are yaoi and josei. I'm not gonna lie, I feel a bit uneasy about trying yaoi. But it wouldn't be fair if I didn't try at least one. After all, it wouldn't be the first time that an anime made something I usually don't like enjoyable.
I find hentai is better in manga form. It's easier to skim though the fluff sex to get to the actual dialogue. Also, the art in manga is generally better since it's just still image. Animated 2D sex is utterly poor because it's mainly repeat frames and really forced dialogue.

I swear hentai has some of the most one-sided and verbose sex scenes ever. I don't think a girl could ever be that descriptive at describing the situation while forcing herself on her sister's boyfriend.

As for production...
I've yet to seen an hentai that has truly decent production value. Penis look like wooden poles (no pun intended) and vaginas have little to no detail. And depictions of pubic hair in animated hentai is joke. (All this assuming you get uncensored hentai. This one of the times censoring is a benefit, IMHO. The censoring hides the LACK of detail ^_^; One's imagination can be much more erotic... Unless you have no imagination *shrug*)

Manga gives the artist opportunity to add real detail to the work since it's all still images. (They don't need to draw 15-30 images just for 1 second of animation.) Proportions and realism are another matter (both mediums are guilty as hell of weird shit), but the art in manga hentai is much better compared to any anime counterparts they may have. (Though the same can be said of many manga to anime adaptations.) Also, VERY FEW of the big professional seiyuus work in the hentai side. (You're more likely to find a couple here and there in the VN/Eroge industry under pseudonyms, actually). As such, the acting/casting can be quite poor at times as well.

Lastly, manga hentai actually has time and space to add a plot. Anime hentai is usually restricted to 1-3 eps (since they're all OAVs). OAVs are usually just under 30 minutes long. Your average hentai usually spends 33%-50% of that time on sex scenes each ep (they'll cram it in somehow, regardless of situation...). OP's are usually non-existent and the ED's are just music and quick credits with maybe clips from the ep.

If you want porn with plot, Velvet Kiss is a nice series to start with. Glass No Megami is also decent. Both are manga, though Velvet Kiss would be the better of the two. Both can also cut out the sex scenes and still stand on their own as plot/char driven series. Though the intimacy in Velvet Kiss is actually something of a major point for the 2 main chars in the long run. Still, you can quickly skip the sex scenes in them much easier than in anime hentai. If you're adverse to hentai in general, I'd stay away from the anime side of the genre at the very least. If you think anime in general was getting generic, anime hentai is even worse overall due to the target market and limited availability of those titles. (On the flip-side, hentai manga and anime can have some VERY fucked up settings...)
Thanks Stahn, this should save me plenty of time and brain cells. I just found Velvet Kiss on Manga Here so I think I'll start with that. I think I'll look into Megami too. But you know, if these two don't work out I'll probably give up on hentai completely.
Well, I won't blame you for that. Most hentai is pretty shallow and/or short. Those are the only two I've come across that are long stories with actual development in them.

I can suggest other, much shorter ones (like a few one-shots), but you'd have to be able to digest some quirky scenarios at times. I mean, some hentai is actually fairly sweet if you can get past all the cruft in hentai manga. It's just hard to find simple, sweet sex in hentai due to the scenarios they sometimes get placed in. ("Kissing cousins" and incest are very prevalent for whatever reason.)
I'm good on suggestions for now, thanks.
i'm much like stahn however my opinions will stretch just a little bit farther than his i think. I will never bash something i have not watched myself. I often have shows i love but i will almost always pick at it's flaws from time to time as well. When theres a show i hate, i hate it with vengeance. But in all fairness i generally lay it out like it is.

A good example for that is Welcome to the NHK. I love that series to bits, and for me at least it never gets boring despite how mundane the plot is. However it having been made by Gonzo, the animation turns to absolute crap sometimes, at some scenes bordering on abstract art.

I hate bad writing, i don't mind boring and mundane but i absolutely hate bad writing. I especially hate shows that use a fantastic setting to cover up bad writing. Bleach and Naruto being some of the worst culprits of this. Everytime time the protagonists get over some obstacle i can almost see the writers in the conference room the day before the script is due going, "Screw it we'll just give him another powerup!" and they'll make up and change the rules of the universe as they go. And lets not forget shows that forget about writing entirely and use perversion to draw in it's viewers. I simply can't handle shows like Yosuga no Sora, or Kanokon. To some extent Seikon no Qwaser however that was actually decently written and was rather smart in many ways.

I think what i love most is good character development. Thats why i love slice of life shows like Toradora, Welcome to the NHK, and Usagi Drop, even something is plain as Kimi to Boku i loved. They are easily relateable and well written. And then there are really well written material such as Mirai Nikki and Rin: Daughters of Mnemosyne where the fantastic setting is not used to camouflage a lack of good writing, and it's just one hell of a ride watching those shows.
Bringerof_D said:
I hate bad writing [...] Bleach and Naruto being some of the worst culprits of this. [...] i can almost see the writers [...] going, "Screw it we'll just give him another powerup!" [...]
Honestly, those are artifacts from the original source material and partialy due to that particular genre in general. AIR GEAR is also guilty of this as well as piss-poor technobabble as plot-devices. AIR GEAR was tolerable until it turn into some fucked up sad attempt of a conspiracy action series. Though it started going downhill long before that.

Bringerof_D said:
And lets not forget shows that forget about writing entirely and use perversion to draw in it's viewers. I simply can't handle shows like Yosuga no Sora, or Kanokon.
Yosuga, despite it's target demographics and content bordering on actual hentai, actually managed to control fanservice. Also, as a drama series, the fanservice wasn't as irritating as say, from a harem-comedy series.

Yes, part of YnS's draw was the near-hentai scenes, but fanservice wasn't played for cheaps laughs as much and was balanced out by the actual drama in the series. It's not the best, but it's one of the better balanced fanservice/drama series I've watched.

Actually, the real series was serious enough overall that they created a spin-off series attached to the end of each ep to lighten the mood a bit. (Those have the more typical fanservice scenes in it, though often in humorous chibi form.) YnS was a lot more serious than the fanservice might portray it as. (The topic of sex in the later arcs was handled much more seriously than in most series of this type.)

Note that it's been a while since I watched YnS though. The drama in it stood out more than the fanservice for me, so my view on it might be a bit skewed. Did you watch all of it or did you drop it eventually? (Its plot arcs were arranged in a branching method. Think Amagami SS, but with some shared, common eps between all char arcs.)

I dropped Kanokon fairly quickly. That series was all about the ecchi and not much else. The chars weren't even redeeming in some form either.

Bringerof_D said:
[...] i love slice of life shows like Toradora [...]
TD was more HS drama than true/typical slice of life though.
Kokoro Connect has really caught my attention with episode 2. Definitely a plot that i haven't seen before. Looking forward to ep 3.
I'm nearly done with season one of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya *facepalm* watching this anime was such a pain. Don't get me wrong, I really liked it but I had a lot of problems with the order of the episodes. It seemed to me that most of the fans think that the best order to watch the eps is in the broadcast order so that's what I did... *sigh* okay I'll admit it was mainly my fault for not paying full attention between eps but I managed to screw up the order pretty bad. Don't ask how but at some point I even ended up watching an ep from season two's "endless eight" and somehow I didn't realize it until I checked the episode list on wikipedia... yeah, it's okay to laugh now.
I don't remember how I watched Haruhi S1 if it was in chronological order or not. However I remember S2 that I watched the first two eps and on the third I realize "I have seen this already" and skimmed through every ep. It wasn't until I checked wiki after watching S2 I facepalmed.

Beside ecchi that is not something you really laugh at...
FoliFF said:
Beside ecchi that is not something you really laugh at...
I've met people who think that kind of thing is funny.
I think i watched haruhi s1 in chronological order because i was really confused when i tried to watch it on how it was aired.
I guess I don't really regret watching it the way I did but I'm still relieved to be finished with it. Next time I watch Haruhi I'll try it in the chronological order to see which is best for me.
Actually, if you can recall the events of each ep well enough, you can just look at an ep guide with the chrono order (like wiki) and kinda figure out how you might've liked it that way. It does save you from having to re-watch the series.

I prefer the boradcast order because it makes you think just a bit more about things. Later chrono eps view earlier in the broadcast order mention earlier chrono events you don't see until later in the broadcast order. Like how in the Baseball game ep, Itsuki mentions the key event of the Broadcast order ending. Speaking of which, I prefer the broadcast order's last ep as an ending compared to the chrono ending.

As for Haruhi S2: if you're a completionist, feel free to watch all of E8. If you value your personal time, though, you just need to watch the first and last eps of that arc. You really don't miss much inbetween.
I also prefer the broadcast order's finale, I don't need to re-watch the series to know that at least. As for the Endless 8 well, I'm a completionist so I'll watch it in its entirety. I mean I've seen worse............... the Naruto fillers? Marathoning 84 mediocre eps is worse than watching a few similar ones back to back right?
"Similar" is putting it mildly after 8 repeats with little progress until the last one. At least filler has variety, if shitty quality...

And speaking of Kokoro Connect earlier, I'm sitting here wondering how much fun the seiyuus could be having with that series. Each main cast member basically gets to play five different roles in that series. I figure a couple of them would be having fun at that prospect since they'd get to play roles they might not always get. Of course, it depends a bit on how the script is written is the directing, but I think some of them would be enjoying this opportunity to jump roles in the same series.
Ecchi should become an anime reviewer... someday.

Considering how the perfectionist nature gets the upper-hand and he's all "I will watch this to the end, even if I don't want to!"

Right... is it really a good choice to force oneself to complete the series of something you don't want to watch, yet at the same time feeling the time-pressure because there are so many other series that you have to watch in order to catch up?

You'd think Ecchi is gathering resources for building up the world's anime series database.

On unrelated news, I actually read a manga last week! (I know, it's been ages) A friend wouldn't stop recommending it to me, so I caved in and read it. It's called Kashimashi (Girl Meets Girl in English). I imagine it must be old news, so I'll skip my impressions (though, in brief, I can say I really liked it).
I watched and read that series long ago. I wasn't exactly happy with the ending pairing. The anime version really didn't justify much beyond they knew each other the longest. The manga copy I have is half broken (I have the first OMNIBUS volume and the last 2 individual ENG volumes, of 5; I'm missing what is essentially the later half of what would be volume 3.)

I recall liking the series overall (this was back during my shoujo-ai binge, thanks to the likes of Strawberry Panic! and MariMite.) It's been a while and I don't recall specific details anymore. I mainly recall the basic premise, one running gag, and the ending.
Oh, I could write a long monologue here about my general unhappiness in how every love-triangle needs to be solved by "choosing one partner." Has there ever been any published manga/anime where they consider that polyamory can actually work?

If anything, I was really hoping it would in Kashimashi. Kind of disappointed... but I guess no other resolution would have been acceptable.

I should watch the anime version, my friend did and I was pretty shocked at realizing how different some plot elements were between the anime and manga. Though I really enjoyed the manga, so I am not sure what point there would be in looking at the anime only to go "damn, that's not how it's supposed to go!"
SK7000 said:
Oh, I could write a long monologue here about my general unhappiness in how every love-triangle needs to be solved by "choosing one partner." Has there ever been any published manga/anime where they consider that polyamory can actually work?
Plenty, actually, as many just give one stupidly ambiguous ending anyway. ToLoveRu and Tenchi Muyo are examples.

ToLoveRu was following the "Status Quo is God" rule. TLR:Darkness is a true sequel, though I'm not exactly sure if the relationship issue will ever get rectified (the story in TLR:D is more character-driven and serious). Though if Momo gets her way, it will be a harem end. (She even lays out the reasoning for Rito.)

Tenchi Muyo has way too many spin-offs for me to care. I only watched the original series from back when. The ending was ambiguous as well.

SK7000 said:
I should watch the anime version, my friend did and I was pretty shocked at realizing how different some plot elements were between the anime and manga. Though I really enjoyed the manga, so I am not sure what point there would be in looking at the anime only to go "damn, that's not how it's supposed to go!"
I sometimes get that feeling, but I tend to segregate the different media. I know that what works in one form may not work as well (if at all) in another. I've read/watch the manga/anime version of many series (in some cases, I was even able to read the ENG version of the source novels. The main one being the Crest of the Stars). I've found myself flip-flopping between which versions I like better.

  • K-On! - Overall prefer the anime version. S2 anime giave you a bit more insight to the girls. The manga was fun, but I liked the art and characterizations of the anime a bit more. (Mugi's a bit more aggressive in the manga, for example.)
  • Ai Yori Aoshi - Prefer the manga. The S1 anime condensed the main plot into 26 eps. S2 anime went back and covered the side chars and stories (similar relation between Full Metal Panic!'s S1 and S2 in fact.)
  • Love Hina - I actually prefer the anime overall, up until the Spring special anyway. From the Spring Special onward through the ending OAVs, it shared the same crappiness as the manga's events. Still, I preferred how the anime handled a few thing over the orignal manga's event. For example, Shinobu got a proper introduction and backstory in the anime.
  • Rosario+Vampire - Manga, hands down. The anime versions were genetic trash in comparision (especial when comparing the S2's).
  • Skip Beat - Anime was very well done, but the manga covered more material (obviously). It's a toss up here. The anime followed the manga very closely.
  • ARIA - I flip-flop here. Both renditions do some things better than the other. I might ahve to let the manga edge out the anime a bit though. The S3 anime felt a little rushed to me. The S2 had some original material that seemed a bit out of place as well.
  • Tasogare Otome x Amnesia - Manga wins. The anime was okay, but there were a few things about it that detracted from what would've been a decent adaptation of the manga. It was a bit rushed and the very last 2 minutes of the series utterly kills all the build-up at the end (cop-out ending.) The attempt at mimicking SHAFT-style production and presentation I think was a detractor as well. However, the last third or so if the anime was fairly well done, considering it was anime-exclusive material. It was a nice twist for the ending seeing as the manga hasn't ended yet. And you can't beat seeing an animated Yuuko ^_~
I can go on, but I'm sure that's enough. Adaptation can have their merits. Unless they're so utterly trash taht no one gives a damn at all. (e.g. Minami-ke S1 anime was awesome and I'd rate it over the manga easily. S2 and S3 are generally ignored by the entire Minami-ke fandom in nearly the same fashion as the Tsukihime fandom treats the nonexistent anime adaptation they don't have.)

On a sidenote:
I had to *facepalm* a couple times during Becky's transformation sequence at the end of Dog Days S2 Ep02. They really outdid themselve for that one, though not necessarily in a good way. I'm guessing she's the favorite of somebody high up on the staff...
Fine, you win. I hadn't though that the "anime Versus manga" issue wouldn't end up being in the same vein as "books versus films" (where books are better in like 99.5% of the cases). I guess I'll have to give the anime a chance as well.

Also, it goes to show how little manga/anime I've read/seen if I've completely forgotten the unresolved stories in some harem-style anime (but then again, the very name "harem" seems a bit wrong... I mean, it's one thing to see a working triangle, and another to have an octagon or worse xP).

Maybe I should consider reading ToLoveRu... I've seen plenty of wallpapers in this site about it already that I feel like I should have a good grasp on the cast already, on the very least x3
SK7000 said:
Fine, you win. I hadn't though that the "anime Versus manga" issue wouldn't end up being in the same vein as "books versus films" (where books are better in like 99.5% of the cases). I guess I'll have to give the anime a chance as well.
That's the general consensus and rule to go by. On the other hand, some animation production studios know how to handle adaptations very well to match the medium. KyoAni in general is the prime example. SHAFT to a good extent as well. Other studios are middling. (The big ones like A-1 and Sunrise can make some weird decisions.) Some are just horrendous: ASREAD is pretty infamous for this in general. They handled the original SHUFFLE! eroge-anime adaptation pretty well, though production value was another matter... Still, half of what made SHUFFLE! what it was, the story, had already been laid out for them in the game itself.

Then you get weirdos like SILVER LINK. They do decent work, but they seem to mimic the production style of other studios more. (I believe SILVER LINK production resemble SHAFT production is style.)

SK7000 said:
Also, it goes to show how little manga/anime I've read/seen if I've completely forgotten the unresolved stories in some harem-style anime (but then again, the very name "harem" seems a bit wrong... I mean, it's one thing to see a working triangle, and another to have an octagon or worse xP).
True harem will have a friggin' star-shaped relationship "tree" (and I use that VERY loosely) with the protaganist at the nexus.

SK7000 said:
Maybe I should consider reading ToLoveRu... I've seen plenty of wallpapers in this site about it already that I feel like I should have a good grasp on the cast already, on the very least x3
TLR is a harem series, through and through. Anime S1 kinda sucked since they tried to make a singular coherent (and generic) storyline. The problem was after a certain point, TLR was more known for it episodic Slice-of-Life format.

The OAV's were the bridge between the two styles. If you watch the OAVs and pay attention, you'll notice how it slowly transition to a self-contained, episodic format over the course of 6 eps. Anime S2 then in fact uses the episodic slice of life format (akin to the older western animation style of have 3 shorts/skit per each half-hour ep. Think Tiny or Looney Tunes ep structure.)

The manga is better until you hit the OAVs and S2. At that point, the anime and manga are pretty much on part with one another. TLR:D is getting an anime, so I hope they don't fuck it away.
Maybe that's why I have no freaking idea what happened between the two seasons of To Love Ru and where all the new characters came from...because of the OVAs...hm. Oh well.
SK7000 said:
Ecchi should become an anime reviewer... someday.
I'd like to do that, in fact I've been thinking about making my own anime reviews for sometime now. But I can't say I'm feeling very confident. I don't know the first thing about editing or scripting or uploading or... well you get the idea -3-

SK7000 said:
Considering how the perfectionist nature gets the upper-hand and he's all "I will watch this to the end, even if I don't want to!"
Now that you mention it, I don't think I've ever officially dropped an anime series before X3 there are a few that I stopped watching when I started my list but that's it. Actually, I might go back and finish them when I have the time.

SK7000 said:
Right... is it really a good choice to force oneself to complete the series of something you don't want to watch, yet at the same time feeling the time-pressure because there are so many other series that you have to watch in order to catch up?
I decided I would finish the list, so that's what I'm gonna do. That means I need to watch every anime on the list in its entirety with no short cuts. But you know it's not as bad as you think. I've gone from the 1980's to the mid 2000's and I don't think I've watched more than a few anime I would like to have dropped. As for the pressure of having to watch so many other anime... it's crushing me x_x but that's only because there's so much interference from my school life. I'm starting to worry that I won't finish the list by next year like I'd planned. And then there's what I'll be doing after the list is done...

SK7000 said:
You'd think Ecchi is gathering resources for building up the world's anime series database.
If only I had the time... btw, this is your first post in a little while SK. Have you been busy browsing the wallpapers?
ecchifan96 said:
-snip- And then there's what I'll be doing after the list is done...
and what might that be?