@Foliff
Jeez, I told you to take it easy...
That's another classic scenario for me and my advice to others
Jeez, I told you to take it easy...
That's another classic scenario for me and my advice to others
Bored, Numb, Very Nauseated, Lonely, Tired and to top that, my work was just spat on because of a mistake someone else made which I now have to correct. Also my use of the english language was criticized which I hate. Woke up with rain, didn't even smile, I always smile when it rains.....In other words, just like all my mondays. Good cup of thea and a little bit of work later and it's all no big deal anymore :) Monday mornings are the absolute worst for me ;)
Tomorrow will be better, looking forward to my vacation, most of the planning has already been finalized. There's a lake there as well, thank god, waterside and no family at last. Have waited for that for too long.
Just gotta wait for a while, stil finishing my work.
Tomorrow will be better, looking forward to my vacation, most of the planning has already been finalized. There's a lake there as well, thank god, waterside and no family at last. Have waited for that for too long.
Just gotta wait for a while, stil finishing my work.
Your first paragraph made me feel guilty about having it soooo easy once again.
As if I needed to be reminded of how fortunate I am.
I feel like going berserk on fate for doing this to me and, more importantly, worse things to other people.
BTW, nothing terrible happened to me today, not yet anyhow.
Physics smelled like a pig's bottom(I don't actually know how one smells, but still), but I struggled my way through. It should be more than fine, I hope.
Everything's down to hope, wishes, prayer and fate at this point.
Only two more exams to go, that's the good news.
As if I needed to be reminded of how fortunate I am.
I feel like going berserk on fate for doing this to me and, more importantly, worse things to other people.
BTW, nothing terrible happened to me today, not yet anyhow.
Physics smelled like a pig's bottom(I don't actually know how one smells, but still), but I struggled my way through. It should be more than fine, I hope.
Everything's down to hope, wishes, prayer and fate at this point.
Only two more exams to go, that's the good news.
Well, let's have a change of mood around here, shall we?
Today is an excellent day. Clear skies, burning sun (a bit hotter than I'd like, but everybody around here was missing summer). I am struggling a bit with a challenge at work (stupid gnuplot), but I have a good outlook on the future and I am pretty sure it'll all be just as it should be.
Life is doing great, and after a weekend of almost non-stop videogaming, I am looking forwards to a party next weekend (for a change of pace). :D
There, now don't you all want to get your torchlights and burn me alive? :3
Today is an excellent day. Clear skies, burning sun (a bit hotter than I'd like, but everybody around here was missing summer). I am struggling a bit with a challenge at work (stupid gnuplot), but I have a good outlook on the future and I am pretty sure it'll all be just as it should be.
Life is doing great, and after a weekend of almost non-stop videogaming, I am looking forwards to a party next weekend (for a change of pace). :D
There, now don't you all want to get your torchlights and burn me alive? :3
AHH, as always you are a star in the pitch black canopy of the dismal, who obscure my light blue sky and look down into the darkness themselves, proclaiming doom and gloom...
Well.....how to be blunt about this without becoming inconsiderate.SK7000 said:
Well, let's have a change of mood around here, shall we?
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I prefer an honest response over one that warps how you actually feel about something and try to imprint "good feelings" on people? Because that actually is inconsiderate since you belittle my/the situation. I know why you're doing it and I really do understand, I don't even blame you since you probably just wanted to consider everyone in the community, but please consider the effects. I've seen enough *shrugs* and "Whatever, this is depressing let's talk about rainbows" to start being bothered by it.
Hehe I had some problems with a PCA using python modules a bit back getting it all set up with correct versions and built into eclipse IDE. Know the feeling :PSK7000 said:
I am struggling a bit with a challenge at work (stupid gnuplot),
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Maybe this can help explain things a little more from my perspective to clear away some of the clouds that seem to make people find my views depressing.I hope this helps in solving the current " not yet problem "
Mnessie user manual v0.1
OH GOODIES!!
I found our old smokie "best of" collection! Brings back so many memories of my days back in Switzerland! I see happy days a-coming!
I found our old smokie "best of" collection! Brings back so many memories of my days back in Switzerland! I see happy days a-coming!
Well Mnessie, I wonder. Sometimes there are situations where apparently there are no right answers.
WARNING! Philosophical discussion on the human state of mind ahead.
I understand that nobody can ask us to be happy and ignore our difficulties. But can I ask you guys to actually post in here when you are feeling positively good? Ever since I became active in these forums, all I've seen in this particular thread are feelings that point mostly from "neutral meh" to "oh woe is me"...
PS: Also, I am genuinely the kind of person who's always cheerful no matter how bad things get. At worst it'll take me a few days to recover from a slump, but generally speaking I am always active and looking forwards to living.
PPS: And to keep in the spirit of the thread. I am doing great: I just had the most delicious pineapple-tuna salad ever. *_*
WARNING! Philosophical discussion on the human state of mind ahead.
I understand that nobody can ask us to be happy and ignore our difficulties. But can I ask you guys to actually post in here when you are feeling positively good? Ever since I became active in these forums, all I've seen in this particular thread are feelings that point mostly from "neutral meh" to "oh woe is me"...
PS: Also, I am genuinely the kind of person who's always cheerful no matter how bad things get. At worst it'll take me a few days to recover from a slump, but generally speaking I am always active and looking forwards to living.
PPS: And to keep in the spirit of the thread. I am doing great: I just had the most delicious pineapple-tuna salad ever. *_*
First off I would like to say I agree with your statement on having one group of people reply per mood not being a desirable situation for any forum. I'd like to know what Stahn thinks of that as well actually as he seems to be very mindful of such things.SK7000 said:
Out of respect, you may think you have no right to voice your state of mind if it's doing just peachy. But then, where does that lead us? To adding replies only when they continue with the general mood already found in the thread?
PS: Also, I am genuinely the kind of person who's always cheerful no matter how bad things get. At worst it'll take me a few days to recover from a slump, but generally speaking I am always active and looking forwards to living.
You misunderstand me if you think that I would not have everyone voice their opinions. It's just that stressing a specific mood to be an "only acceptable mood" is out of the park. I think we can get along just fine, and if not I'm willing to work on it. But my mood will probably remain "somber*" for a very long time.
*I like somber, it seems accurate and feels right.
Consider a neutral topic being introduced as an example. Would you not prefer to have one of every moods to describe best how it is perceived? I enjoy many of the different views here but the second "EVERYONE is peachy" I'm back to wandering for places where that need is fulfilled.
So here is my proposal as a starting position: "I'll balance you out, you balance me out. Seems like the only logical action here as the both of us seem quite satisfied with the position we find ourselves in." In doing so we may just balance the mood a little to a more open and well spoken mood in which everyone can walk around from their perspective also allowing the both of us to freely speak from our own mindset/background.
If only that were the issue. xD You've been here longer than I, so I guess you know better. Are there times when everybody here seems to be all-peachy to the point the cuteness overload starts bothering you?Mnessie said:
[...] I enjoy many of the different views here but the second "EVERYONE is peachy" I'm back to wandering for places where that need is fulfilled.
Another personal trait of mine is that I like playing antagonist. If everybody is cheerful, then I usually keep silent rather than jump on the bandwagon. But lately, it seems like the forums are on a gloomy band-wagon, which motivates me to do something about that... as you said, to balance things out.
Though it gladdens me to read that apparently we understand each other here. I'll wait and see how the overall mood of the forums changes as time passes. Maybe I just happened to become active during a black-mood period.
Response to SK7000SK7000 said:
If only that were the issue. xD You've been here longer than I, so I guess you know better. Are there times when everybody here seems to be all-peachy to the point the cuteness overload starts bothering you?
To clarify my mood a little further:
I spent all day working on and tomorrow I'm going to clear up this error about my work. I've been getting several complaints lately about my English so I was extra pissy about this. And to be honest without a teacher or actually going to live there I doubt it'll get much better soon. I'll just read more again. I enjoy doing so anyway :)
I may not be able to deal well with people criticizing me but when it is aimed at improvement I do just suck it up and deal with it. What else can you do right ;) It just takes a little more out of me than most people I will permit to see.
As a lead back towards our previous topic before we had our rather educational and interesting discussion I would ask the following.
Can I ask you why you feeling bad would make anything better?Gregol said:
Your first paragraph made me feel guilty about having it soooo easy once again.
As if I needed to be reminded of how fortunate I am.
I feel like going berserk on fate for doing this to me and, more importantly, worse things to other people.
Personally I enjoy seeing people happy to the point it becomes creepy >_> so if anything I'd rather see you happy about this "good life" you've mentioned in some of the posts around here.
Mnessie, I find it interesting how in your "response" to me, you have wrote all your thoughts on the topic, but you actually forgot/avoided my question (the one in your quote) :P
Information provided noted, regardless. Though I don't have anything to reply to that other than "hmm... I see, interesting."
Let's see what Gregol has to say to your query. Personally speaking, I get the impression that sometimes people feel like they don't deserve to be doing better off than those around them. Specially if they care about them. So if others are down, they try to put themselves down at their level.
I was trying to think of a reason why that might be, but it's past midnight here, I just got done with a great part of my work, and I think I am gonna go sleep now. Hopefully I'll dream of something more interesting than fighting with gnuplot xD'
PS: About the English language
Information provided noted, regardless. Though I don't have anything to reply to that other than "hmm... I see, interesting."
Let's see what Gregol has to say to your query. Personally speaking, I get the impression that sometimes people feel like they don't deserve to be doing better off than those around them. Specially if they care about them. So if others are down, they try to put themselves down at their level.
I was trying to think of a reason why that might be, but it's past midnight here, I just got done with a great part of my work, and I think I am gonna go sleep now. Hopefully I'll dream of something more interesting than fighting with gnuplot xD'
PS: About the English language
SK7000 makes my comment sound like a crusade against evil...
I don't approve of that.
Now, my life has continued being perfect, even in the aspect of reading genuinely interesting forum posts.
Like I said before, I find it wrong to be happy, when people right beside me have it bad and/or are not as happy as I am.
I also don't connect with the idea of "balancing out".(I am sure you'd make a brilliant scientist with that attitude, mnessie)
Why does everything have to be balanced?
WTF can't everything just simply be the way I want it?(OK, that came out really wrong, but please try to understand)
It's not like somebody will be worse off. I'm not asking people to stop POSTING bad feelings, but to stop HAVING bad feelings in life.(of course that requires the removal of causes of bad feelings... bummer)
What can be more beautiful than being alive?
I don't approve of that.
Now, my life has continued being perfect, even in the aspect of reading genuinely interesting forum posts.
Like I said before, I find it wrong to be happy, when people right beside me have it bad and/or are not as happy as I am.
I also don't connect with the idea of "balancing out".(I am sure you'd make a brilliant scientist with that attitude, mnessie)
Why does everything have to be balanced?
WTF can't everything just simply be the way I want it?(OK, that came out really wrong, but please try to understand)
It's not like somebody will be worse off. I'm not asking people to stop POSTING bad feelings, but to stop HAVING bad feelings in life.(of course that requires the removal of causes of bad feelings... bummer)
What can be more beautiful than being alive?
That was not my intention, but if you read me that way there's not much I can do about that. Although...Gregol said:
SK7000 makes my comment sound like a crusade against evil...
I don't approve of that.
This really makes it sound like you are in a crusade x3WTF can't everything just simply be the way I want it?(OK, that came out really wrong, but please try to understand)
Anyway, Mnessie is in a good mood today, you shouldn't try to ruin that xD'
If I told you I'd have to kill you ¬_¬What can be more beautiful than being alive?
Me, I am doing good today. Work is under control. I had a good meal (which is really a surprise, the cafeteria around here isn't exactly known for being ... good). I am already looking forwards to the weekend plans... @_@
I think I just understood what you were trying to say the last few times. Actually I'm pretty sure. We have different views on life that much is certain. As you already probably understand I find bad feelings natural and acceptable.Gregol said:
WTF can't everything just simply be the way I want it?(OK, that came out really wrong, but please try to understand)
It's not like somebody will be worse off. I'm not asking people to stop POSTING bad feelings, but to stop HAVING bad feelings in life.(of course that requires the removal of causes of bad feelings... bummer)
What can be more beautiful than being alive?
Does it not bother you to think that being happy may not be possible without knowing what being unhappy is?
You got me wrong again...
I am happy, because I am painfully aware of the world's suffering(I used to be like you, a sad person), but paradoxically, I find it wrong to be happy when someone near me is sad.
My feelings just... transformed at some point.
Also, LOL at our dual misunderstanding(concerning crusades) with SK7000
I am happy, because I am painfully aware of the world's suffering(I used to be like you, a sad person), but paradoxically, I find it wrong to be happy when someone near me is sad.
My feelings just... transformed at some point.
Also, LOL at our dual misunderstanding(concerning crusades) with SK7000
Gregol said:
I find it wrong to be happy when someone near me is sad.
But then you actually just aligned with my views on balance >_> I thought you didn't look at it like that.Gregol said:
I also don't connect with the idea of "balancing out".(I am sure you'd make a brilliant scientist with that attitude, mnessie)
And I must decline your compliment. It is flattering but unbecoming considering my ability. Just because I understand the impossibilty of being a scientist. In fact I find it practically "nerdgasm" to find this in an anime. It should help make my explaining this a lot easier to just quote a view you may already know. Why anime can be both fun AND educational
The same I would apply to living life VS finding purpose in life. I find living incompatible with having a purpose. I'll just sit out the ride and see if I can be happy while doing it but everytime I am happy I have to block out the realization that my being happy is pointless (which takes away the fun out of it in the blink of an eye). , but at least this has made me content. (Sorry if that explanation was a little too complex or weird, I didn't spend much time on explaining it too others before). It's a good thing I make mistakes and forget things , because like today, sometimes I do feel happy and just try to delay the coming onslaught that takes it away again. So if you don't mind I'll be smiling a little longer today
Ohh, this is.. if I get it right.. also true in my case.Mnessie said:
The same I would apply to living life VS finding purpose in life. I find living incompatible with having a purpose. I'll just sit out the ride and see if I can be happy while doing it but everytime I am happy I have to block out the realization that my being happy is pointless (which takes away the fun out of it in the blink of an eye). , but at least this has made me content. (Sorry if that explanation was a little too complex or weird, I didn't spend much time on explaining it too others before). It's a good thing I make mistakes and forget things , because like today, sometimes I do feel happy and just try to delay the coming onslaught that takes it away again. So if you don't mind I'll be smiling a little longer today
I've been looking for a purpose these last few weeks,living itself is easy. And ofcourse I can also be happy. But thinking about a purpose just takes it away. Especially if you can't find any, actually, only if you can't find any. There is now no other way to live up to your 'life' then just sitting out the ride. Something will pass by.. hopefully.
I believe you are living, to find your purpose. Whatever that might be. Simple or hard. Beautiful or ugly.. Good or bad.
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Today is house cleaning day. I am amazed by how fast everything gets messy and dirty without a Mom to do stuff around. Laundry, vacuuming, dishes, ironing.. You know, actually I don't even mind doing all this stuff. I suddenly feel like living on myself, feels good, being busy and such, and not spending all the time watching anime, behind the pc or similar. I've also been picking up some sports since about 1-2 months ago, and results yay~ But.. I've been somewhat.. pulled in by my gf's bad.. eating habits, so together with sporting it's not really positive. Living is hard hey =).
Also, I saw an add at a local Media store, they needed some new people, if I can grab some courage I'll walk in and say Hi coming week. I need a job.
I don't mean to "balance" things by thinking that I can't be happy. It's more like I don't DESERVE to be happy, when I can't make other people happy too.
And why does your happiness being pointless ruin itself instantly?
You should be happy that you have the freedom to do pointless things!
Don't you think that it's tough to think every action through, because something depends on it being correct? Isn't it great to be allowed some spare time to just do things for yourself? Things that you always wanted to do?
Why do people have to waste time thinking about bad things? Why can't everyone think about the good stuff, and how to make it last, and how to make it better?
And why does your happiness being pointless ruin itself instantly?
You should be happy that you have the freedom to do pointless things!
Don't you think that it's tough to think every action through, because something depends on it being correct? Isn't it great to be allowed some spare time to just do things for yourself? Things that you always wanted to do?
Why do people have to waste time thinking about bad things? Why can't everyone think about the good stuff, and how to make it last, and how to make it better?
Sorry important person I never heard of before, but I cannot agree with you. I would say that there's a very good reason to aim for perfection: the fact that you cannot reach it.A scientist must be a person who finds ecstasy while suffering from that antimony.
- Mayuri Kurotsuchi
This is different from, say, wanting a raise and not getting it, because in this scenario the purpose, the goal, is all that matters. However, consider the journey. Even if it is impossible to be perfect, a search towards perfection can only improve you as a person. So the benefit is not measured on whether or not you reach the goal, but on the road you travel.
It's the same for life and the purpose of life. Having a goal should not distract you from enjoying life, on the very contrary, it should be the compass that guides you into how to get the most out of life.
At least, that is how I see the situation. In the ancient words of wisdom from the Internet sages, "you are doing it wrong" when you think that having a purpose in life prevents you from enjoying it xD'
PS
Aye that it is. But it's so much more fun than ragequitting :DArtwork said:
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It does feel liberating to actually do things like that. Sometimes I can find peace in just throwing a huge DND (do not disturb) sign at my door and ports and just put on music and work untill I can't work anymore. I guess that is a bit similar but not the same.
I wish I had some results. I started working out almost at the same time , changed my diet, took advice from people that actually understood how it worked and all I get is lose weight , but not the shape I was aiming for. I may just quit beer now. To many calories. Just enjoy a small zip of whiskey every now and again. This evening is work out evening again, but I guess I should start early also have work appointment ......thanks for reminding me ^_^ saved me a lot of trouble there Artwork
I would like to debate this.SK7000 said:
Path without a goal can still nurture progress
<<<< Sorry for going to have to double post but the site will not allow me to continue with larger wall of kona
Again... my apoligies for the double post.
Continued part 2 of the debate
PS: That was me sidetracking. I'm still thinking about the rest.
Continued part 2 of the debate
PS: That was me sidetracking. I'm still thinking about the rest.
That's where it becomes important to be "human" rather than a "machine".(I know, both are relative)
But, being human, we can CREATE reason, that does not exist otherwise.
The main part of being human is, IMO, the ability to see meaning in different things(letters, numbers, paintings, sounds, emotions), that's why it's important to not deprave life of its meaning.
Progress doesn't have to be measured against something. It is a word that we invented. The important part is the connection/meaning the word implies/carries.(quoting the matrix here)
You can simply decide that those steps you took towards nothing are indeed progress.
What I am trying to argue is the following:
In your own lifetime, very little except for your own perception of things will matter.
I believe that life is a test. A test of what? you may ask. A test of whatever you choose it to be, and that is also part of the test.
@mnessie
could you explain in a slightly shorter essay, why you didn't consider the increasing distance from the initial position to be progress?
But, being human, we can CREATE reason, that does not exist otherwise.
The main part of being human is, IMO, the ability to see meaning in different things(letters, numbers, paintings, sounds, emotions), that's why it's important to not deprave life of its meaning.
Progress doesn't have to be measured against something. It is a word that we invented. The important part is the connection/meaning the word implies/carries.(quoting the matrix here)
You can simply decide that those steps you took towards nothing are indeed progress.
What I am trying to argue is the following:
In your own lifetime, very little except for your own perception of things will matter.
I believe that life is a test. A test of what? you may ask. A test of whatever you choose it to be, and that is also part of the test.
@mnessie
could you explain in a slightly shorter essay, why you didn't consider the increasing distance from the initial position to be progress?
What I said was: My QuoteGregol said:
@mnessie
could you explain in a slightly shorter essay, why you didn't consider the increasing distance from the initial position to be progress?
In essence that translates to:
1: "I can move towards a goal without a starting point and measure progress."
2: "I can move away from my starting point without a destination but then I can not measure progress"
3: "If multiple people have the same destination (or are measured by the same standards of said destination), we can compare results and define progress on a relative scale."
Does this clear up your question?
almost...
Why, though?
I don't get point 2
Why, though?
I don't get point 2
It's not special, being human. Any concept of anything being special is only because we say it is. It's like naming a dog. Just because the dog is called "Fluffy" does not mean that's who the dog is.
Progression can occur without anything progressing at all. The passage of time does not always assure progression of a civilization or an individual.
It's a mental illness we all have. It's hard to explain. We feel that we must take things further and further and further. People can't accept things the way they are. We're like children. We always want the bigger toy or the more expensive toy. I don't know. That's how I feel about it. People want too much.
I don't buy into the whole "life-is-a-road-and-it's-about-the journey-and-the-destination-and-whatever". I don't believe in spiritual journies. That's all bullshit. You can go on a physcial journey, but I don't think that enriches your spirit or mind much.
Progression can occur without anything progressing at all. The passage of time does not always assure progression of a civilization or an individual.
It's a mental illness we all have. It's hard to explain. We feel that we must take things further and further and further. People can't accept things the way they are. We're like children. We always want the bigger toy or the more expensive toy. I don't know. That's how I feel about it. People want too much.
I don't buy into the whole "life-is-a-road-and-it's-about-the journey-and-the-destination-and-whatever". I don't believe in spiritual journies. That's all bullshit. You can go on a physcial journey, but I don't think that enriches your spirit or mind much.
Without a finite end state all I can do is make comparison on parameters which provide no accurate base save for perfection as destination. I can compare my progress with your progress but that would say nothing if we don't have some way to define progress. We could be comparing how happy I was tuesday to your ability to lift weights on wednesday and draw some impossible conclusion from that.Gregol said:
almost...
Why, though?
I don't get point 2
If we both said, well, point C over there that's perfect. You can't get any better than that. The problems becomes, who got closer to C? How does happines relate to lifting weights, how much did the days matter? Can all be measured if you have some sort of end state. You don't need a starting state for that in this case. I don't need to be 18 or 19 or 20 years or require a same background as you, just that defined end point on the horizon.
LOLotaku_emmy said:
We're like children.
children are us though
Wanting too much is not the problem, as long as you achieve it yourself, without harming others.
I've been trying to tell you this the whole time!Any concept of anything being special is only because we say it is.
You're only sad only because you told yourself that you are!
EVERYTHING, ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING is only because we "say" it is!
I think, therefore I am!
"You will find that most of the truths you will come across, depend on a certain point of view"(quote from Star Wars)
Whatever you say, may not change the physical reality, but it changes YOUR reality, and that's what's most important.
Only because you can't "touch" the change, doesn't mean you shouldn't make a change. It doesn't mean you're better off without it.
@mnessie
why can't we define progress as the distance traveled from the starting position?
I thought that was the dictionary definition.
Yeah, so I should create a dillusional state into which I can slip. Telling yourself to be a certain way when you don't FEEL that way is just lying.
So either people can lie to themselves and be happy, or face the truth and be sad. It's a lose-lose situation. It's all relative though.
So either people can lie to themselves and be happy, or face the truth and be sad. It's a lose-lose situation. It's all relative though.
SK7000
11 months agoAmnesia... that must be quite perplexing. To be yourself, without having the knowledge on why/what makes yourself. I guess I've had my share of anime/games that dealt with that x_x;
Well, it's good to know you are A-ok, Foliff. Of course, with the internet being what it is, we would never find out when somebody dies in here, all we'd notice is "whatever happened to X? Haven't seen them around for a while."