I knew you would do that. So predictable. You don't really have the shock value anymore.

That doesn't really answer my question either now does it?

EDIT: Also, as Mr Homophobic Facist Pig, I could not help but notice that man's mask was rather...black. Sure, it is a black and white photo...but still. Just thought that might be worth bringing to your attention :)
otaku_emmy said:
Well, if the blacklist keeps you from taking issue with certain things, it keeps us from being "unprofessional". "Out of sight, out of mind".

Keep in mind that this site isn't meant to cater to the tastes of just a few people. With a few exceptions, people are allowed to upload things others might not enjoy.
Wrong! The unprofessionalism extends through the forums and comments. And, I ALREADY stated I would leave, and DID NOT ask anyone to alter the format. You're too impulsive to be a Mod. Think about your words and then go back and look at what I have written. You didn't NEED to comment on my original question at all. It's your immature impulsive need to defend yourself that I call into question as an example. Honestly, this site has dropped in quality, overall from four years ago.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I was only trying to offer alternative solutions to your problem (and point out the few points you were mistaken on). I wasn't trying to alter your thinking or belittle your opinions.

You don't need to leave, but if you feel that strongly about it then you have every right to find a better place for anime related art and wallpapers.
... Maybe it's about time to reconsider the topic of un-banning most of our banned content types and using a default blacklist such that people actually have to manually enable blacklist tags in order to see them. I'm not sure why people have such an issue with using the blacklist. But with a default blacklist, anyone that enables a content type they don't want to see seriously has no right to complain.

Animeticklesmytoes said:
Wrong! The unprofessionalism extends through the forums and comments.
I didn't see the comment that was deleted, so I can't really say anything about that. But I don't really see a problem with any of the posts in the comments section or forums. I'm not sure what you're taking issue with, but given the level of the discussion in this forum, I'd say Emmy's comments are more professional than most others.

Professionalism is only really required for work pertaining to site policy and administration. There's no need to forbid staff from continuing to speak their mind in the forums so long as it doesn't affect their work.
Jack_Le_Breton said:
I could not help but notice that man's mask was rather...black. Sure, it is a black and white photo...but still. Just thought that might be worth bringing to your attention :)
I don't understand what irony you find in this or why it's even at all relevant to take note of to begin with but I'm going to humour you anyway.

In the Hermetic tradition black symbolizes the Saturnalian principle of initiatic death where the philosopher's soul is freed from the body. Wearing black represents the death of one's inferior nature and samsaric influences, making it a declaration of war against the reign of falsehoods in the material world and a spiritual war waged within oneself for the liberation of the self.
Zolxys said:
... Maybe it's about time to reconsider the topic of un-banning most of our banned content types and using a default blacklist such that people actually have to manually enable blacklist tags in order to see them. I'm not sure why people have such an issue with using the blacklist. But with a default blacklist, anyone that enables a content type they don't want to see seriously has no right to complain.
I'm still with you guys on this one. It's a good idea.
Zolxys said:
... Maybe it's about time to reconsider the topic of un-banning most of our banned content types and using a default blacklist such that people actually have to manually enable blacklist tags in order to see them. I'm not sure why people have such an issue with using the blacklist. But with a default blacklist, anyone that enables a content type they don't want to see seriously has no right to complain.
......
You realize, that blacklisting something makes it so that the images don't appear on the index. And thus leaving a 'blank' image slot. So long as you make it separate from our current blacklist that does just that, I'm for it. If not, I'm very much against it. I don't want to go to the next page on the index and only see 5 images.
Extend the rules to avatar usage. No shitstain shit as avatars, thanks.

Though, I rarely ever comment around here. My words mean nothing.
Wait, does that mean we might be seeing guro/mutilation stuff here? o_O)/
Freenight said:
Wait, does that mean we might be seeing guro/mutilation stuff here? o_O)/
I think the owner of Konachan said he wouldn't mind banning anything other than guro. But who knows
Emmy
Tensa said:
You realize, that blacklisting something makes it so that the images don't appear on the index. And thus leaving a 'blank' image slot.
Ah, yeah. I forgot the current blacklist did that. That is rather annoying. I believe that was done that way to reduce load on the server from excessive tag filtering.

Yes, that would be unacceptable for the feature in question. If we implement this, it would have to be in such a way that full pages are given regardless of which set of default blacklist tags you have blocked. I would also like to change the current blacklist to work the same way if possible.

mattiasc02 said:
I think the owner of Konachan said he wouldn't mind un-banning anything other than guro. But who knows
You were missing a couple of letters there.

Yes, no mod wanted to deal with guro and alaron didn't want it here either. Everything else was fine so long as we still stick to high quality Japanese anime style wallpapers.
No Creep, you can't be mod for guro images.
Why not?! DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD=

Guro is love, guro is life.
It's not just that we don't have a mod for it. Our active admin doesn't want it here either. I had originally suggested un-banning that as well, but it seems it just won't happen. Sorry.
I'll look at anything if I have to (for moderating and tagging purposes), but guro is still pretty gross. And horrific.
We'll find some tame ones, like decapitation or amputation, with no viscera. @__@
Freenight said:
We'll find some tame ones, like...
For what purpose? Are you saying you'll find something we do allow or something we don't?

....... A fair amount of blood/injury/death is already allowed here (especially when due to battles) and we do have an amputee (post #71918). But for the most part, I don't think we would allow much of anything that you would consider guro (even tame). And it doesn't look like that's going to change.
otaku_emmy said:
, but guro is still pretty gross. And horrific.
This is how some of us feel about the gay-related, girls with dicks, traps, etc, images. Everyone dislikes something, and perverse is perverse. As a normal, straight male, I'm just as appalled by futanari. Just because gays happen to exist, doesn't mean that their (sex life) lifestyle isn't perverse- it is by any natural standard, just as guro is perverse but most-likely loved by some serial killer. My opinion centers around normalcy and it would be nice to have a site that just has normal images that normal folks like, reflective of the spirit rather the twisted side of our ID, to loosely quote Jung. I'm not attempting to place myself above anyone regarding format- as a retired combat operator, I've killed more men than most can imagine, but it doesn't mean that my preferences should or would be reflective of my past/present lifestyle. I understand that is probably not possible, as anime tends to attract a lot of odd types, but... And it would be swell if the gay mods didn't feel the need to delete/lash out when 97% of the (normal) population comments about a known fact that they disagree with. If a gay member states they love cock up their ass, I don't care, and wouldn't comment, as it's none of my business. Personally, I believe the Mods shouldn't post images or their feelings on fetish at all, so they can be neutral when an issue comes up. Having one that posts traps, futanari, feels like they are using heir position to change the format gradually.
Animeticklesmytoes said:
Personally, I believe the Mods shouldn't post images or their feelings on fetish at all, so they can be neutral when an issue comes up. Having one that posts traps, futanari, feels like they are using heir position to change the format gradually.
Now that I resent. Insinuating that there's some underhanded, sneaky scheme on ANYONE'S part to "change the format gradually" is utterly ridiculous and the stuff of borderline paranoia.

Do you know why I posted that picture? It was because I thought the guy had a cute face. That's literally it. I do not fetishize traps or futas. I don't find them sexually gratifying at all. I just like cutely drawn characters, regardless of what they have between their legs.
You're reading too much into it. I meant it could be perceived that way, hence my expounding on mod preferences, written or posted, included WITHIN the SAME comment. And it matters not WHY you posted it, only that you did. The outcome is the same.
... For almost everyone, there will be things they don't want to see. Including our current banned content list, I'm sure we have people that can't stand other things such as:
Likewise, for every single one of these as well as our banned content types, we have a number of people that like them. Except for guro for which I think we only have one vocal member that likes it...

Your reasoning for how normal it should or should not be to like something is not really necessary. To get a better idea of how popular these things are in relation to each other, try typing them into the search box on danbooru to see how many posts are tagged with each. If you want to argue that the posts on danbooru are biased beyond what is normal for anime fans/artists, please don't. You'll get nowhere.

Animeticklesmytoes said:
And, I ALREADY stated I would leave, and DID NOT ask anyone to alter the format.
You are welcome to stay or leave. It's your choice. You're also free to change your mind. But so long as you insist you are leaving, you don't have much voice in what we allow here. We're currently considering a change that should remove the posts you don't like from view (unless you really want to see them...). If that ever comes to pass, maybe you'll feel like returning.
People have been posting both traps and futanari to Konachan for almost ten years. It's not like it's anything new. The majority of our daily posts are nothing to do with either types of character.
Strictly speaking, it's sort of why Trump won the White House; common people feel like the entire gay/trans thing is becoming invasive. I've been on Kona for five years or so, and never felt it was an issue worth speaking about until Matt started posting more male-male images. Based on my years experience browsing here, it was so seldom that it wasn't worth mentioning. If there's a perceived change in things that makes someone uncomfortable, it's their duty to speak out. The site can always tell me/them to shut up. But, it should always be voiced, regardless, or the site stagnates.
Animeticklesmytoes said:
....until Matt started posting more male-male images.
And more, and more, and more....
My two points:

  • I like the idea of a default blacklist that requires users to create an account and log in to see rating:e images - after manually editing their blacklist to allow them. I think that yande.re avoided problems with that same policy. (Provided the post page can display properly without blanks)
  • People imagine the US as a liberal country - but that depends on where you are. A couple of years ago, a young man returning to the US with some Manga books he bought in Japan was stopped for a random search at the airport.....he was arrested, tried and convicted of possessing child pornography and is currently serving a 4 year jail sentence. I don't remember at which airport he arrived.
Edit: @Tommygunn, you mentioned you took a blacksmithing course - here is a video for you! I was amazed at the accuracy these dudes achieved, given the massive size of the forging with unbelievably crude tools - enjoy.
I'm not sure why you brought up the US unless you were just trying to use it as an example. According to IP lookup the server is currently in the Netherlands. I have no idea what the laws are like there. But come to think of it, nothing has been said about the legality of explicit loli on the server since the most recent server move.
Zolxys said:
I'm not sure why you brought up the US unless you were just trying to use it as an example. According to IP lookup the server is currently in the Netherlands. ...
The location of the servers does not prevent other countries from blacklisting a site. All it takes is for one insufferably intolerant self-righteous fanatic to make a complaint to the right authorities... if someone makes a complaint, the authorities must duly follow through. These same fanatics are unlikely to register an account, so a default blacklist effectively avoids problems.

I brought the US case up, to make the point that kona.com could get banned there if we allow that kind of content. Just because an image is not a photograph is not sufficient - depends on how the law is written and interpreted.

Then there is the problem in the UK with revival of the The Digital Economy Bill There is such talk in various US states as well. Several state legislatures have proposed legislation that would require ISPs to block "family unfriendly" websites by default and require the customers to request the removal of such blocks. A default blacklist could keep kona off those blacklists.
one problem with black listing is that it sort of requires an image to be tagged as such, yes? Well it seems that matti doesnt always tag uploads, or people argue over what they thus tags get changed so it only helps to a certain degree right?
That is not really a problem. Mods very rigorously enforce proper image rating by uploaders. Further people tend to gravitate to tagging explicit images....hmmmm. So images will not slip through the default blacklist for long. As for specific tags, just about everything that would cause a "problem" would also be rated explicit and explicit images would be caught by the default blacklist.

And yes, Matti is a tag slacker!!!!!
Animeticklesmytoes said:
...until Matt started posting more male-male images.
TommyGunn said:
And more, and more, and more....
...Just wanna say there hasn't been a shounen_ai image uploaded for three months, and I was the one who uploaded it.

Keep in mind a lot of the stuff Mattias uploaded gets deleted anyway due to quality.

Anyway, I try to make sure the more questionable and explicit images get tagged as such, especially since lots of uploads are rated incorrectly or blacklist tags are left out. Whatever happens, I'll still make sure things are tagged so that they can be hidden from people not wanting to see them. Why some people refuse to use our blacklist as-is I do not understand, but if someone higher up wants to make a more convoluted blacklist to keep people from complaining then so be it.